You need to pick one point of view or the other.

Which of your claims is true, that gun laws have "no direct connection to gun crime," or that gun laws "prevent untold numbers of incidents where idiot who think having a gun makes them right, shoot someone just because they cut them off on the highway," which would be a crime?

Do they not affect gun crime, or do they?

The Gun Debate (explained for Liberals) - m5todd ©⁸⁴ 2009-06-30 19:44:05 (66 views) (693 thread views)
- yawn, US=Gun free for all/high crime. UK= guns - hard to get/high crime. CH=guns for all/ 2009-06-30 22:50:14 (30 views)
  - So given your tally, why have gun laws? (nt) - ChipM 2009-07-01 08:54:21 (18 views)
    - to keep them out of the hands of as many psychos - as possible? 2009-07-01 11:38:02 (26 views)
      "guns laws have no direct connection to gun crime" - ChipM 2009-07-01 13:20:02 (27 views)
      Gun laws very much prevent accidents - for one 2009-07-02 09:13:16 (21 views)
      You need to pick one point of view or the other. - ChipM 2009-07-02 10:27:24 (20 views)
      accidents are crimes? - nice! 2009-07-02 11:43:34 (20 views)
      No; your second example is not an accident. - ChipM 2009-07-02 13:12:27 (20 views)
      Ah c'mon Chip. Haven't you ever accidentally.... - Twigand Berries 2009-07-07 23:51:09 (11 views)
      Well yes they do, but they are not perfect, why - would you argue against laws... 2009-07-02 13:29:09 (21 views)
      If the world is not the same as it was 200+ years - ago, then amend the constitution. 2009-07-06 19:00:33 (13 views)
      I'm just amazed at how you argue against yourself. - ChipM 2009-07-02 13:46:58 (18 views)
      This is the end. Beautiful friend.... the end (nt) - The Doors 2009-07-07 23:07:39 (10 views)
      Re: Well yes they do, but they are not perfect, w - ChipM 2009-07-02 13:43:54 (20 views)
      the problem is not the guns, it's the - attitude 2009-07-02 17:16:57 (18 views)
      No, you need - to be honest. 2009-07-06 19:03:01 (16 views)
      I agree with your sentiment, not your conclusions - ChipM 2009-07-06 10:26:38 (14 views)
      Cops bounce you off a trunk for "unconcealed"? - Real Time Risk Management, LLC 2009-07-01 15:08:03 (26 views)
      AnonymousLEE to the rescue! (nt) - -cb3 2009-07-01 20:00:13 (15 views)
      In Florida you need my anti-terrorism training boy - Real Time Risk Management, LLC 2009-07-01 23:49:26 (16 views)
      In Florida you did 3 years' hard prison time, Lee (nt) (pic) - Cracka Jihad ©² 2009-07-02 07:58:05 (20 views)
      Re: In Florida you did 3 years' hard prison time, Lee (nt) (pic) - Cracka Jihad ©² 2009-07-02 08:00:04 (21 views)
      SEAL/Hostage Rescue, Baby Blaclwater, etc LIES! - Karnac Lee is Magnificent 2009-07-02 09:47:57 (19 views)
      Felonies, heroin, beating pregnant women: SCUMBAG (nt) - Reciprocity ©² 2009-07-02 19:15:30 (19 views)
      SO shrill and agitated you are! Hilarious! (url) - TYPO 2009-07-02 19:29:49 (33 views)
      Can one check out a LIE at this Lie Library? - Javier - Central Market bag boy, Austin 2009-07-02 20:39:49 (18 views)
      YES! Most of the LIE LIBRARY content consists of - TYPO 2009-07-02 20:55:12 (21 views)
      So this David Lee is a liar and a fraud my friend? - Javier - Central Market bag boy, Austin 2009-07-02 21:20:32 (16 views)
      YES, a LIAR and a FRAUD, Your question reminds - TYPO 2009-07-02 21:28:55 (16 views)
      Fascinating that people tolerate this sad man DLS - Javier - Central Market bag boy, Austin 2009-07-02 21:54:07 (18 views)
      Fascinating how OBSESSED with him you are 24/7 (nt) - 478-78-7402 ©² 2009-07-07 11:40:59 (11 views)
      This is the end.... beautiful friend.... your end - Jim Morrison & The Doors 2009-07-07 23:35:12 (10 views)
      IRONY (nt) - Charles Romneos ©² 2009-07-02 19:41:48 (14 views)
      Yup: he's still running from who & what he is (nt) - Cracka Jihad ©² 2009-07-01 22:37:04 (14 views)
      Nice play on Baldy the Self-Owned Roadfly Moron - Real Time Risk Management, LLC 2009-07-01 23:46:37 (17 views)
      Baldy the Self-Owned Roadfly Moron (nt) (pic) - Cracka Jihad ©² 2009-07-02 07:56:59 (20 views)
      Baldy the Self-Owned Roadfly Moron (nt) (pic) - Cracka Jihad ©² 2009-07-02 07:59:27 (19 views)
      Outed as a LIAR... DLS-Self-Owned Roadfly Moron! - Karnac Lee is Magnificent 2009-07-02 09:38:36 (14 views)
      Get some new material, you analbeaded phaggott (nt) (pic) - Reciprocity ©² 2009-07-02 19:16:27 (16 views)
      heh heh heh - so agitated and shrill. Nice LIE (url) - TYPO 2009-07-02 19:21:58 (22 views)
      And, on cue, the psychopath changes IP's yet again (nt) - Charles Romneos ©² 2009-07-02 19:26:57 (15 views)
      FIND THE DUPER! (pic) - TYPO 2009-07-02 19:38:59 (21 views)
      FIND YOUR BALLSACK! - Charles Romneos ©² 2009-07-02 19:41:11 (22 views)
      so shrill and agitated! heh heh. You find Baldy (pic) - TYPO 2009-07-02 20:34:42 (18 views)
      You project more than anyone here, psychopath (nt) - 478-78-7402 ©² 2009-07-02 21:50:03 (15 views)
      Whose social security number is that Baldy? - SEAL Team Bald Davey Duper 2009-07-05 09:24:41 (20 views)
      Yours, psycho. In the public domain since 2002> (pic) - 478-78-7402 ©² 2009-07-07 11:40:22 (13 views)
      It's yours Lee. You are so OWNED!!! - 478-78-7402 2009-07-06 18:34:03 (15 views)
      Relevance? (nt) - ChipM 2009-07-01 15:42:15 (15 views)
      You jacket flew up and a citizen saw your pistola - Real Time Risk Management, LLC 2009-07-01 23:51:36 (17 views)
      You live in a fantasy world, don't you? - ChipM 2009-07-02 08:43:37 (24 views)
      Your over-the-top fascination with guns is wacked - Karnac Lee is Magnificent 2009-07-02 09:43:43 (21 views)
      that justifies your total fabrication of stories? - ChipM 2009-07-02 10:25:19 (21 views)
      Really... don't you believe everything Baldy says? - Karnac Lee is Magnificent 2009-07-02 10:33:47 (17 views)
      Baldy (pic) - 478-78-7402 ©² 2009-07-02 19:17:57 (20 views)
      Davey sees Baldy every morning! (pic) - TYPO 2009-07-02 20:30:43 (15 views)
      Why does this Bald David not have a life or wife? - Javier - Central Market bag boy, Austin 2009-07-02 21:04:14 (15 views)
      He has a wife, but due to his behavior not for - TYPO 2009-07-02 21:20:26 (17 views)
      Yes I see.... and I believe I "know" her very well - Javier - Central Market bag boy, Austin 2009-07-02 21:36:35 (16 views)
      See, you have a major issue with facts. - ChipM 2009-07-02 10:48:37 (22 views)
      Would be glad to discuss this off-line mister - Karnac Lee is Magnificent 2009-07-02 11:38:30 (21 views)
      Post your email up, junkie (nt) - 478-78-7402 ©² 2009-07-02 19:19:12 (13 views)
      DEAD SILENCE!!! - Karnac Lee is Magnificent 2009-07-02 18:20:55 (15 views)
      Post yours up first, baldy (nt) - 478-78-7402 ©² 2009-07-02 19:19:53 (16 views)
      You see Baldy whenever you want! (pic) - TYPO 2009-07-02 20:39:06 (19 views)
      Baldy (nt) (pic) - 478-78-7402 ©² 2009-07-07 11:41:46 (10 views)
      Why is this Bald David Lee so in love with Lee? - Javier - Central Market bag boy, Austin 2009-07-02 20:41:46 (14 views)
      Yes, in fact, he does...he lives 'Deadwood' (nt) - Cracka Jihad ©² 2009-07-02 09:14:22 (18 views)
      I live in LIE WORLD! Everyone come on over and (url) - TYPO 2009-07-02 21:14:09 (22 views)
      Can not get over tidal wave of this David Lee lies - Javier - Central Market bag boy, Austin 2009-07-02 22:13:13 (14 views)
      Likely personal experience, LOL ;>) (nt) - m5todd ©⁸⁴ 2009-07-01 20:36:25 (13 views)
      LOL, get your arse kicked again? - Twigand Berries 2009-07-01 15:28:14 (18 views)
  - Yet Americans feel safer than anyone else. (nt) - Cool Breeze 2009-07-01 07:50:16 (13 views)
    - prove - it 2009-07-01 11:35:05 (21 views)
      Ask you u shall receive (url) - Cool Breeze 2009-07-01 11:56:37 (24 views)
      an editorial? surely you - jest. 2009-07-01 12:29:48 (16 views)
      Swiss? Of course, IIRC by law they must have a - Cool Breeze 2009-07-01 13:07:20 (22 views)
      so you were wrong? - OK, good 2009-07-02 09:15:36 (16 views)
      I know that at one time each and every Swiss male - m5todd ©⁸⁴ 2009-07-01 15:14:54 (20 views)
      They still do by law. It's called - Rheinheitsgebot. 2009-07-01 22:17:43 (19 views)
  - Washington D.C. has a ban on most guns and the - m5todd ©⁸⁴ 2009-06-30 23:00:46 (25 views)
    - ban lifted; is the murder rate lower now? - Charlton Heston 2009-07-01 06:18:17 (22 views)
      D.C. defied the lifting of the ban as did Chicago - m5todd ©⁸⁴ 2009-07-01 13:38:52 (20 views)
      They have not - Charlton Heston 2009-07-02 06:01:06 (18 views)
- Maybe you ought to look up "liberal"... - RonW 2009-06-30 20:36:40 (34 views)
  - Generally speaking, gun control is an issue for - ChipM 2009-07-01 08:58:10 (26 views)
    - The complete opposite of their real meanings. - RonW 2009-07-01 19:32:19 (20 views)
      Hear hear. (nt) - ChipM 2009-07-02 08:45:37 (12 views)
      Agreed. Twisted words these days. (nt) - m5todd ©⁸⁴ 2009-07-01 20:39:30 (14 views)
  - I realize that 'liberal' has become too big of an - m5todd ©⁸⁴ 2009-06-30 22:38:13 (32 views)
    - You didn't look it up, did you? - RonW 2009-07-01 19:32:49 (18 views)
      Democrats and Socialists. - Twigand Berries 2009-07-01 20:43:52 (20 views)
      Not trying to hurt anybody... - RonW 2009-07-02 19:12:00 (19 views)
      As well as aversion to reality. - Twigand Berries 2009-07-02 21:27:38 (17 views)
      That is the original meaning, yes, however, - m5todd ©⁸⁴ 2009-07-01 20:28:34 (20 views)
    - BTW, your leader claimed Obama is already - planning to run for a third term 2009-06-30 22:53:33 (24 views)
      Where did you get this information? (nt) - ChipM 2009-07-01 09:06:42 (16 views)
      funny how you guys always act shocked by what (url) - the voice'' of republicans spouts... 2009-07-01 11:32:59 (21 views)
      How would I know what in the world he says? - ChipM 2009-07-01 13:18:57 (19 views)
      Hmmm.....so lets work on this with a little logic. - Twigand Berries 2009-07-01 12:55:52 (18 views)
      LOL...so why are republican leaders grovelling - at his feet? 2009-07-02 09:18:32 (15 views)
      Got links? (nt) - Twigand Berries 2009-07-02 15:12:29 (16 views)
      Is the Weiser Dance catching (url) - on? 2009-07-06 11:07:21 (13 views)
      Rush - The Great Graveler Of Many An Azz - in a (nt) - strictly bipartisan way, of course, hehe ©⁸⁴ 2009-07-01 15:19:27 (12 views)
      My leader? WTF you smokin'? (nt) - m5todd ©⁸⁴ 2009-06-30 22:56:12 (12 views)
  - LOL, yeah he is. (nt) - Twigand Berries 2009-06-30 21:37:33 (13 views)