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What do you define as "high income" or "well - JamesS3 2006-11-09 22:59:59 (3459 views) (43804 thread views)
- lets be Democratic on taxes..... - sayemthree 2006-11-16 01:40:20 (495 views)
- Biggest reason the rich get richer... - Large Farva 2006-11-14 12:13:07 (513 views)
  - estate tax, its not as if it passes without - snook ©⁸² 2006-11-14 12:22:49 (421 views)
    - Easily countered by schemes available to wealthy/ - sophisticated investors Large Farva 2006-11-14 12:53:37 (380 views)
      agreed, but the govt. still gets 2,000,000 - snook ©⁸² 2006-11-14 13:10:58 (378 views)
- here you go. (url) - Socom 2006-11-13 09:47:20 (440 views)
- why does it not surprise me that this is a popular - rem ©⁶² 2006-11-11 22:09:43 (492 views)
- That's easy! - m5todd 2006-11-11 19:10:08 (413 views)
  - Welcome back to group therapy (nt) - Capt. Molecule 2006-11-12 09:15:40 (301 views)
  - You're just a libtard with an old car. - Bob C WNC 2006-11-11 23:48:04 (392 views)
  - Good to have you back - Mo 2006-11-11 19:46:12 (331 views)
    - Not crazy, maniac. George Carlin (nt) - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-11 20:20:59 (321 views)
- for Dems,anything over $15k a year is wealthy and - sayemthree 2006-11-11 03:32:48 (429 views)
  - very well thought out post (pic) - rem ©⁶² 2006-11-11 22:34:17 (416 views)
  - ...and they want the terrorists to win too! - StoneWalk 2006-11-11 09:55:42 (342 views)
    - It's a cynical comment, but based on truth. The - JamesS3 2006-11-11 10:07:21 (355 views)
      It's a trivially dishonest comment. (nt) - StoneWalk 2006-11-11 16:25:10 (286 views)
      The core message remains accurate: Dems have - JamesS3 2006-11-11 17:48:25 (340 views)
      The terms "successful" and "hard working"... - RonW 2006-11-11 18:40:29 (364 views)
      +1 (nt) - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-12 08:07:52 (284 views)
      the message remains dishonest (nt) - StoneWalk 2006-11-11 18:37:00 (306 views)
  - It's stupid statements like that the prove - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-11 08:50:27 (326 views)
- Doesn't matter. Tiers do - Bob C WNC 2006-11-10 15:13:17 (373 views)
  - Why does it need to be progressive? (nt) - ChipM 2006-11-10 16:05:46 (320 views)
    - There are many other taxes that are regressive - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 16:08:26 (332 views)
      Re: There are many other taxes that are regressive - ChipM 2006-11-10 16:13:25 (325 views)
      Bullsh!t. Cap gains hasn't been previously taxed - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 16:22:23 (343 views)
      True, cap gains haven't been taxed, but I meant - ChipM 2006-11-10 16:44:19 (321 views)
      You don't. (nt) - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 16:46:47 (304 views)
      I understand how the tax works. - ChipM 2006-11-10 16:49:03 (301 views)
      And it bugs me that it's taxed at a lower rate - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 17:03:36 (327 views)
      Inheritance tax should be replaced with a capital - gtobynj 2006-11-11 19:09:25 (321 views)
      + 1 (nt) - Crash ©⁶⁶ 2006-11-10 17:05:17 (279 views)
      cap gains and interest are partially just... - goatboy 2006-11-10 16:42:20 (305 views)
  - Why should we have progressive rates? Sounds - JamesS3 2006-11-10 15:55:55 (333 views)
    - The richer benefit more from safety and services - Bob C WNC 2006-11-10 16:20:44 (340 views)
      No they don't. Just another attempt to screw - JamesS3 2006-11-10 19:08:46 (328 views)
      Still doesn't make a point for progression - ChipM 2006-11-10 16:26:24 (321 views)
      Bullsh!t again. The fleet of trucks damages the - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 16:32:50 (329 views)
      I understand that. Read the argument. - ChipM 2006-11-10 16:36:05 (335 views)
      Using example numbers: (url) - ChipM 2006-11-10 16:40:06 (291 views)
      But if the bicyclist also makes $100k... - RonW 2006-11-10 17:04:48 (363 views)
      Point taken. (nt) - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 16:38:23 (301 views)
    - Read this first, then we'll discuss (url) - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 16:10:50 (349 views)
- Top 2.6% of earners have a household income of - $200K+. LiveFree ©⁷³ 2006-11-10 14:27:39 (506 views)
  - government is paid for mainly by the middle class - goatboy 2006-11-10 17:02:07 (323 views)
    - Making stuff up again.... - Green///Machine 2006-11-10 23:09:59 (306 views)
      damn, you're actually right for once... (url) - goatboy 2006-11-11 10:12:14 (361 views)
      Not only are you deluded. You're numbers are wrong - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-11 10:38:14 (294 views)
    - Idiot. Repug stereotypes are really getting - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 17:32:36 (312 views)
  - Nope. (nt) - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 14:43:55 (285 views)
    - Oh yeah, we forgot..$25K a year is rich to you. - PeterE60M5 2006-11-10 14:45:21 (325 views)
      My "nope" was referring to the level at which - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 14:52:59 (334 views)
      SURE they will. (nt) - PeterE60M5 2006-11-10 15:02:05 (307 views)
      Petey, you and your ilk haven't been correct for - a looooooonnnngggg time --Mo 2006-11-10 16:39:31 (307 views)
      Whoa!! That's unfair and inaccurate... - Imadriver 2006-11-12 07:45:52 (314 views)
      IMHO you are full of crap. The economy is - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-12 08:29:15 (344 views)
      Facts are facts, just because you disagree.... - Imadriver 2006-11-12 14:27:33 (314 views)
      Your facts are very selective and tend - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-12 14:40:29 (300 views)
      WOW! Talk about "artificial"... - Imadriver 2006-11-12 15:16:37 (302 views)
      Speaking of "in the red" - Mo 2006-11-12 17:25:44 (324 views)
      To answer your question... - Imadriver 2006-11-12 20:18:48 (306 views)
      Tax cuts will reduce revenue. - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-12 20:38:56 (298 views)
      Riiiight. - Imadriver 2006-11-12 20:48:57 (298 views)
      Here are the facts.......... (url) - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-12 21:32:39 (281 views)
      Yep. They are clear back up to Clinton levels. - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-12 21:00:21 (299 views)
      Oh boy... - Imadriver 2006-11-12 22:41:24 (286 views)
      How convenient you reply to every damn - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-13 10:26:17 (296 views)
      PS - Mo 2006-11-12 17:27:18 (289 views)
      Re: PS - Imadriver 2006-11-12 20:25:44 (296 views)
      Even without part affiliation, your supply - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-12 15:47:42 (291 views)
      Re: Even without part affiliation, your supply - Imadriver 2006-11-12 15:55:41 (279 views)
      Please point to ANY factual data indicating - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-12 16:17:12 (303 views)
  - My God...I actually agree with LF...Hell has - pls 2006-11-10 14:41:34 (345 views)
    - Don't however agree with the $65,000 number... - pls 2006-11-10 14:44:22 (288 views)
- Hmmm - PeterE60M5 2006-11-10 12:50:13 (316 views)
- kobe bryant is Rich...they guy who writes his pay (nt) - check is wealthy...snook ©⁸² 2006-11-10 12:44:19 (327 views)
- Prob 10x average local wage. - ChipM 2006-11-10 11:49:25 (329 views)
- Depends on location, I have a def for rich... - Greg 2006-11-10 11:46:32 (329 views)
- high income and well off can be two different - Capt. Molecule 2006-11-10 10:05:15 (328 views)
- I posted this earlier today...merely an opinion - snook ©⁸² 2006-11-10 02:52:57 (313 views)
- 300k a year is well off but far from "Rich" - MrLabGuy 2006-11-10 01:36:31 (367 views)
- My personal opinion? About 50% to 100% above - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-09 23:14:00 (355 views)
  - The more income, the less value they look for - Capt. Molecule 2006-11-10 10:12:34 (283 views)
  - Your key phrase "tend to spend what they earn" - MrLabGuy 2006-11-10 01:35:07 (340 views)
    - We've had enough of the asinine pedantic lectures - TRUTHADDICT 2006-11-10 02:41:11 (317 views)
      Spoken like a true communist dictator - MrLabGuy 2006-11-10 02:55:59 (314 views)
      Your rhetorical statement may address spending - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 10:02:48 (306 views)
      Government has a role to play - TRUTHADDICT 2006-11-10 03:16:19 (307 views)
    - Because of human nature. If taxes were 100% - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 02:10:21 (314 views)
      If you have not noticed those who make most - MrLabGuy 2006-11-10 03:00:13 (329 views)
      Relevance? (nt) - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 09:38:29 (296 views)
      The rich pay less as a percentage of their income - TRUTHADDICT 2006-11-10 03:21:09 (310 views)
      Should that matter? - ChipM 2006-11-10 11:33:14 (315 views)
      Who has benefited more from society? (nt) - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 11:37:19 (295 views)
      Not relevant. Who DID more? Why must we con- - JamesS3 2006-11-10 13:11:50 (277 views)
      Who did more? In my opinion, the teacher, the cop, - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 14:08:24 (300 views)
      You are making my point, In my area many cops - JamesS3 2006-11-10 16:00:52 (330 views)
      I think you might be exagerrating a bit on your (url) - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 17:09:23 (418 views)
      Not exaggerating at all. In my area my numbers - JamesS3 2006-11-10 18:34:24 (290 views)
      You caall any numer you want to fair. 0 sounds - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 18:45:13 (299 views)
      In Utah, those jobs probably average 35-45K - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 17:06:54 (280 views)
      Teachers make 100K? Really? (nt) - Crash ©⁶⁶ 2006-11-10 16:59:13 (288 views)
      He might have a neighbor that's a tenured - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 17:19:22 (269 views)
      That's what I was thinking. (nt) - Crash ©⁶⁶ 2006-11-10 17:22:15 (288 views)
      Jumping in late, but sorry, u r wrong... - MBkiller 2006-11-10 19:31:27 (316 views)
      Dude, I know VERY few poor doctors - Mo 2006-11-11 09:11:55 (314 views)
      Knowing what I know now, I would have, too late (nt) - MBkiller 2006-11-12 22:30:04 (269 views)
      Why is it too late? - Mo 2006-11-12 23:45:52 (291 views)
      Well if $250 K doesn't make you wealthy.... - Greg 2006-11-10 22:37:48 (326 views)
      Teaching on this side of the continent much diff - Capt. Molecule 2006-11-10 21:16:08 (323 views)
      In fairness... - MBkiller 2006-11-10 22:43:03 (285 views)
      I'm wondering why every cop I know.... - Greg 2006-11-10 22:42:57 (273 views)
      Careful... - MBkiller 2006-11-10 22:48:33 (281 views)
      I've seen what they do, I've seen what they put... - Greg 2006-11-10 22:50:39 (318 views)
      One thing common between the two,. - Capt. Molecule 2006-11-11 11:01:30 (308 views)
      For the talents that a GOOD teacher has developed - Capt. Molecule 2006-11-11 10:19:02 (295 views)
      No, it's not hard to overpay them. In fact, around - JamesS3 2006-11-10 23:29:55 (266 views)
      James, one important question: - Mo 2006-11-11 09:07:49 (290 views)
      1) I am too impatient to be a teacher,although - JamesS3 2006-11-11 09:51:24 (292 views)
      Go ask these guys and their families about it. (url) - Greg 2006-11-10 23:32:14 (281 views)
      I was waiting for this. Right on schedule. While - JamesS3 2006-11-10 23:41:46 (315 views)
      Go to bed. Rest easy knowing... - Greg 2006-11-11 00:55:46 (354 views)
      Like I said- I support FAIR pay, not pay - JamesS3 2006-11-11 09:54:49 (303 views)
      Yeah right, the police do nothing for you. - Greg 2006-11-11 13:15:38 (311 views)
      I'd like to pay my employees more... - MBkiller 2006-11-10 23:04:28 (302 views)
      Oh horsepucky. You pay your employees... - Greg 2006-11-10 23:06:55 (305 views)
      Okay... - MBkiller 2006-11-10 23:10:53 (322 views)
      And you, as you sleep under the blanket of... - Greg 2006-11-10 23:15:28 (267 views)
      Trying to shoehorn me into your stereotype? - MBkiller 2006-11-11 02:19:34 (313 views)
      You should try that sometime. - Greg 2006-11-12 14:41:31 (294 views)
      For the LAST time... - MBkiller 2006-11-12 22:42:57 (296 views)
      Your area is obviously vastly different. - Greg 2006-11-12 23:49:12 (285 views)
      Riiighhhhttt..... Like we need all the sneaky SOBs - JamesS3 2006-11-10 23:24:19 (311 views)
      Then I suggest you quit whatever it is you do... - Greg 2006-11-10 23:26:41 (308 views)
      You know, if I was 20 yrs younger I might have - JamesS3 2006-11-10 23:37:39 (318 views)
      No you wouldn't. - Greg 2006-11-11 00:57:30 (288 views)
      I agree 100% that the positions are important, but - JamesS3 2006-11-11 10:05:17 (276 views)
      Little Rock PD? Starting about 30 to 35 K (nt) - Greg 2006-11-10 22:39:53 (297 views)
      Your not getting it, Base salary... - MBkiller 2006-11-10 22:55:04 (294 views)
      Why are we paying so much overtime? - Capt. Molecule 2006-11-11 11:25:33 (275 views)
      +1 (nt) - Crash ©⁶⁶ 2006-11-13 10:11:38 (267 views)
      And... - MBkiller 2006-11-10 22:59:26 (288 views)
      And there is nothing wrong with that. - Greg 2006-11-10 23:03:32 (296 views)
      No, there IS something wrong with that. We tax - JamesS3 2006-11-10 23:57:49 (284 views)
      If you "can't afford it" then cut other areas. - Greg 2006-11-11 00:58:58 (308 views)
      Are you actually telling me that I personally must - JamesS3 2006-11-11 10:19:43 (307 views)
      Either you are wrong, or your area is highly - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-11 10:46:25 (274 views)
      Most cops in the Tri state area easily pull in - JamesS3 2006-11-11 11:09:15 (299 views)
      Ful time Izard County deputy - try 12K (nt) - Greg 2006-11-10 22:38:58 (270 views)
      Starting teacher's in AR less than 30K. (nt) - Greg 2006-11-10 22:38:25 (313 views)
      I know a bunch of cops that make a ton... - Crash ©⁶⁶ 2006-11-10 20:38:40 (318 views)
      Bingo! Public employees are now FAR better paid - JamesS3 2006-11-10 20:33:45 (299 views)
      Public pensions eliminated? I don't hink so. (nt) - Greg 2006-11-10 22:45:09 (286 views)
      Why not? - MBkiller 2006-11-10 23:02:00 (297 views)
      **DING DING DING*** Winner! Another voice - JamesS3 2006-11-10 23:17:03 (291 views)
      I've explained it below you ungrateful SOB. (nt) - Greg 2006-11-10 23:20:45 (279 views)
      I am not ungrateful in the least. Although I - JamesS3 2006-11-10 23:53:44 (309 views)
      The part where you should be griping... - Greg 2006-11-11 01:00:04 (294 views)
      This specific part of Gov't spending is what is - JamesS3 2006-11-11 10:22:52 (320 views)
      It's not usually that way. I'm private sector and - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-11 10:50:37 (290 views)
      Wow- good for you (seriously). In my area pensions - JamesS3 2006-11-11 13:42:05 (283 views)
      A number of reasons. - Greg 2006-11-10 23:14:36 (288 views)
      You make my point,although I can obviously - JamesS3 2006-11-10 23:45:07 (291 views)
      Cut back in other areas. - Greg 2006-11-11 01:00:53 (282 views)
      Nice in theory, but not realistic. While cops and - JamesS3 2006-11-11 10:30:42 (293 views)
      So you believe the ONLY area of govt waste... - Greg 2006-11-11 17:53:27 (266 views)
      Hardly. You know better than that, Greg- While (url) - JamesS3 2006-11-11 20:25:05 (304 views)
      Re: Hardly. You know better than that, Greg- While - Greg 2006-11-11 23:16:01 (279 views)
      Thanks for the response. Appreciated. It may - JamesS3 2006-11-12 11:14:45 (300 views)
      It may be our areas are much different... - Greg 2006-11-12 11:26:44 (335 views)
      This explains much and why we disagreed so - JamesS3 2006-11-12 12:31:51 (288 views)
      The one smart enough to win. - Greg 2006-11-10 11:58:52 (314 views)
      Smart enough? Rarely. Born into money, yes. - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 12:13:30 (317 views)
      I'll bet Ken Lay did well in school - MrLabGuy 2006-11-10 12:32:39 (304 views)
      Not in my America. In my America, you make what - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 12:37:31 (309 views)
      I don't believe that is true. - ChipM 2006-11-10 16:16:02 (299 views)
      So why are there mega rich who disagree with you? (nt) - Crash ©⁶⁶ 2006-11-10 16:20:01 (288 views)
      It's the strongest argument for progressive taxes. (nt) - Crash ©⁶⁶ 2006-11-10 14:46:31 (276 views)
      Prolly not same $ but same % yeah I think it can. - Greg 2006-11-10 13:01:03 (268 views)
      I'm not sure I agree here either. Consumption - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 13:10:49 (296 views)
      I believe it requires balance. - Greg 2006-11-10 13:14:59 (289 views)
      Any flat tax would completely screw the - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 13:26:10 (274 views)
      No it would not. (nt) - Greg 2006-11-10 13:34:13 (293 views)
      OK, throw out some numbers. (nt) - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 13:37:08 (296 views)
      Alright how about a 15% flat income tax. - Greg 2006-11-10 13:50:39 (281 views)
      Do we have any sort of base exemption? - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 14:03:02 (291 views)
      Hmmmm, good question. - Greg 2006-11-10 14:20:25 (296 views)
      Still to many unknowns. Go read the wiki (url) - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 14:51:14 (272 views)
      Here ia link to the "real" bill (url) - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 15:01:15 (288 views)
      And is your proposal ALL income? Cap gains, etc? (nt) - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 14:15:57 (293 views)
      I would start with an evaluation of income tax. - Greg 2006-11-10 14:23:16 (285 views)
      There is a place called "The land of opportunity" - MrLabGuy 2006-11-10 12:30:31 (310 views)
      Right next to neverland? (nt) - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 12:38:32 (267 views)
      Oh not even. This country, like no other... - Greg 2006-11-10 12:17:57 (300 views)
      Doesn't work that way Greg. (nt) - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 12:19:45 (280 views)
      Yes actually it does. - Greg 2006-11-10 12:24:41 (296 views)
      Yes. I realize people can achieve. It's very - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 12:51:06 (269 views)
      If a person does not succeed, they have... - Greg 2006-11-10 12:53:06 (282 views)
      Back to the original point of this post. How do - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 13:14:17 (269 views)
      If people don't succeed, its because they don't... - Greg 2006-11-10 22:35:33 (274 views)
      Depends on what your talking about. Hitting - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-11 21:35:23 (270 views)
      OK Greg...You can do no wrong in my eyes - MrLabGuy 2006-11-10 12:07:23 (289 views)
      Thnx. (nt) - Greg 2006-11-10 12:12:57 (278 views)
      it doesnt punish them at all, the $ is all relativ - CCC 2006-11-10 12:00:32 (280 views)
      Relativity is a lie to enable the weak. (nt) - Greg 2006-11-10 12:02:34 (308 views)
      boohoo - CCC 2006-11-10 12:07:22 (267 views)
      Progressive income tax should be abolished. - Greg 2006-11-10 12:10:27 (327 views)
      It would mean the collapse of our economy, - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 12:16:04 (280 views)
      Maybe, maybe not. Reorganization of income.... - Greg 2006-11-10 12:20:46 (309 views)
      Let's take a look shall we? - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 12:32:42 (311 views)
      Where did I say to start? (nt) - Greg 2006-11-10 12:34:20 (272 views)
      Cut that in half. Numbers still don't work. (nt) - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 12:52:31 (297 views)
      Oh, and by the way Greg, what happens to - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 13:06:30 (269 views)
      Maybe, maybe not. - Greg 2006-11-10 13:08:31 (278 views)
      Then cut it further. - Greg 2006-11-10 12:54:13 (262 views)
      Subsistance level consumption isn't by choice. - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 16:45:54 (290 views)
      Big debate here about whether or not.... - Greg 2006-11-10 16:51:37 (284 views)
      Answer my question. - ChipM 2006-11-10 11:43:12 (262 views)
      I know we well strongly disagree. I don't think - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 12:10:46 (276 views)
      easy - CCC 2006-11-10 11:35:06 (275 views)
      What? That makes no sense. - ChipM 2006-11-10 11:41:04 (294 views)
      well it's a % - CCC 2006-11-10 11:50:45 (366 views)
      Explain more, in context of this discussion: - ChipM 2006-11-10 11:52:47 (309 views)
      Re: Explain more, in context of this discussion: - CCC 2006-11-10 12:01:38 (316 views)
      That is idiotic. (nt) - ChipM 2006-11-10 12:22:30 (286 views)
      Trev. That's a terrible arguement. - Ed Taylor 88iX 2006-11-10 12:18:24 (303 views)
      For giggles, I'll try and have a conversation here - Greg 2006-11-10 12:04:38 (286 views)
      employment is outweighed by consumption of finite - resources , etc - CCC 2006-11-10 12:08:51 (282 views)
      But they are supporting the economy.... - Greg 2006-11-10 12:12:28 (324 views)
      Don't look for discussion from CCCP. (nt) - Greg 2006-11-10 12:00:22 (269 views)