What debate are you exiting...there really is no debate over the completely artifial character of the new M3...that is simply stating a fact. No matter how FAT BMW makes the steering wheel to draw your attention away from the fact that the car has no authentic road feedback and a tranny that has roots in the consistency of jello...the soul of this vehicle and the fun factor have been stripped to allow BMW to cater to the NON-ENTHUSIAST segment and try to sucker them into loading up the car with options...for one reason...not to deliver a truly breathtaking product...but simply to pad their profit margins...hello people its ONLY a 3 series...$70k for ANY 3 series is a joke...it still shares most of its components with a $35k car...and they can talk all they want about the engine...but 400 hp is COMMON in today's market and the lack of torque...while not too limiting on high speed tracks...is COMPLETELY limiting for the powerband on PUBLIC ROADS...well maybe not in Oregon with population 12...but everywhere else...this deficiency will be felt